In this conversation, Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner dissect the surreal overlap of American politics, global sport, and everyday life. Rosner riffs on FIFA’s World Cup “peace prize” diplomacy with Trump, linking symbolic awards to geopolitical tensions and a jittery U.S. economy. He contrasts the relative ease of childhood flying with today’s cramped, hyper-secured, COVID-risky air travel, weaving in deregulation and presidential responsibility. Extending the theme, Rosner argues that hollowed-out jobs and constant pressure erode the moral energy needed to sustain marriage, family, and broader social institutions, suggesting the arc of history is currently bending backward.