Ask A Genius 466 – Spirituality as a Political Tool (3)

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Ask A Genius 466 – Spirituality as a Political Tool (3)

December 7, 2018

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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What about the types of the first discussion? What does continual encroachment of more accurate views of the world mean for religious faith and faith in general? Because the trend over centuries has been a decline in outright belief and liberalization of those who do believe.

Rick Rosner: Generally, there is a low cost to have beliefs or large philosophical beliefs about how the world is, believing in a god or a bunch of gods, or no god or whatever. Whatever you believer at the large scale, unless you’re working in the field and or somehow run afoul of some grinding mechanism of where religion meets politics, it doesn’t affect daily life.

You navigate your daily life using a bunch of specific knowledge, situational knowledge. You don’t cross the street on a red light. You don’t drink Draino. You cook the chicken before you eat it.

None of those have large religious import. It is a whole different set of knowledge. People will continue to believe in and have hopes about what the world is. People’s beliefs that are, to some extent, religious over time, on average, be more informed by actual information about the world.

It is a rare person who continues to believe that the Earth is flat. But just because no one thinks the Earth is flat anymore, except lunatics, and the flat Earth is a naive belief from thousands of years ago, that that naive belief has gone away doesn’t mean that religion will go away. It is just that specific areas of knowledge will squeeze out religious belief in certain areas.

There will always be room for religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs about the world, even a fully scientifically explained world and science will change too. That fully explained world will still have room for religious overlays.

There will always be places to have or insert mystical beliefs. There is a thing in quantum mechanics called Bell’s Theorem. Einstein had trouble with quantum mechanics. He thought that you just can’t have a world functioning this randomly.

He thought there was a structure behind the structure in quantum mechanics; that behind randomness of quantum mechanics there was a layer not accessible to us that made the random not really random.

But with Bell’s Theorem, no, it works and to the extent that quantum mechanics has been proven to work; you can’t have secret mechanics behind determining outcomes. However, under IC, the things that happen apparently randomly in quantum mechanics; those things bring information into the world.

Under IC, that information reflects the state of something; that state of, say, the information being brought into the universe, as the universe accumulates information then it has to be about something.

It doesn’t imply a certain framework behind the apparent randomness of the universe, but not in the way Einstein believed. But in a similar way, it is possible to say, “There is this system. It explains things. But there is still room to say that this also exists. That, yes, you have a scientific world but there is also room for beauty, good, bad, and truth.”

That will always be. Although, the evidence and theory-based framework will continue to shape not just science but non-scientific beliefs.

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Rick Rosner

American Television Writer


Rick Rosner

Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing


In-Sight Publishing


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